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As a consideration to subscribers with limited time and energy, please, when relevant, place the following as a preface in the SUBJECT line of your message: MAC: when the message pertains primarily to Photoshop on the Macintosh platform TAN: when the message pertains only indirectly to Photoshop WIN: when the message pertains primarily to Photoshop on the Windows platform ADMIN: for use only by the list manager(s) and is pertinent to all list subscribers > Your message cannot be distributed to the PAGEMAKR list because it > exceeds the maximum message size of 125 lines. This limit has been > set by the list owner and does not necessarily apply to the other lists > hosted at LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU. If you have any question, please contact > the list owner, who can be reached at PAGEMAKR-request@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU. Posts are limited to 125 lines, including all the lines in the header. I notice you are a digest subscriber. If you replied to a digest and did not edit your message for length (cutting all extraneous lines save the ones you were commenting on), this would make your message the length of the digest plus what you added, making for a VERY long post. Most email programs now allow you to select some text before replying, then in the reply, only that text is quoted. You can then change the Subject line so that it does not read "Re: PAGEMAKR Digest," and type in your comments. > I removed myself from the mail list because it is too chaotically organized. > There is a lot of really good info on there, but it is difficult to tell who > is responding to what, and in what order. I haven't spent much time > thinking about how to make it work better.....but I can't deal with having > to shovel through the same material repeatedly in order to figure out what > new pieces have been added to the puzzle each time. That's a generic problem with e-mail discussion lists -- by their very nature they are organized chronologically, rather than by subject. This can be alleviated by using a mail client that can "thread" discussions. Another way is to have your mail client sort incoming list mail into a special folder, and sort that folder by subject instead of date. (Both of these require you to receive mail live, rather than digested.) Another way is to read postings from the web interface. Connect to the PAGEMAKR Archives at <http://listserv.iupui.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?S1=pagemakr> and search on a topic of interest (or all topics since a particular date) and you can walk through all the matches by topic, by sender, or by date. (You can do this even if you are not subscribed, but you will not be able to post. If you want to do this, you can subscribe and then set yourself to NOMAIL. That way you can post but will only see other people's postings by visiting the web page.) 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Note that the list managers will use their judgement in deciding when these posts are off-topic and their decision is final. Also, don't bother the entire list with questions about other listservs. There are other places on the Internet where you can locate other lists and where hardware problems are discussed. (See More Internet Resources) Personal communications should not be sent to the entire list. Every time a message is posted, the sender should consider how many of the thousands of subscribers are likely to be interested. Subscription questions, mail tests, and "Am I still subscribed?" messages should not be sent to the list. The listowner is the best person to answer questions about your subscription. The other subscribers shouldn't be bothered with unnecessary e-mail. If you can't find the subscription information on this web site, contact Michelle Leitzsey Eason (meason@gwm.sc.edu) for help. 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The size of signature files should be kept to a minimum and five lines is generally considered the maximum. More than five lines will likely make some subscribers angry and you may get flamed. The extra bandwidth that 40-line ASCII renderings of the USS Enterprise (or whatever) waste the time and money of subscribers. Automated e-mailer responses (such as "Confirmation of our message") should be disabled. Again, the aim is to decrease bandwidth waste and unnecessary e-mail. Being put on "Review" means that all your posts will be screened by the list manager. You may not always be notified of being put on review; the list manager might see something negative in a post and decide to monitor your posts for a while. If the post that prompted the list manager to put you on review was especially rude, you may have to mind your manners for quite a while when posting. It is entirely up to the list manager as to when you will be taken off review. Be nice and this won't happen to you. More Internet Resources The Liszt has over 67,000 listserv, listproc, majordomo and independently managed mailing lists in its directory. http://www.liszt.com Usenet newsgroups To discuss hardware: comp.os.ms-windows.video comp.periphs.printers comp.publish.cdrom.hardware comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* comp.sys.mac.hardware.* rec.photo.digital To bask in the glory of your computer platform: comp.sys.mac.advocacy comp.sys.windows.advocacy comp.unix.advocacy Tired of advocating it and want to dump it: misc.forsale.computers.* Still can't find the answer to your question? Feel free to contact any of the listowners if you have problems with your subscription or have any questions. Michelle Eason: meason@gwm.sc.edu John Puffer: jpuffer@cntwk.net Peter C.S. Adams: adamsp@umbsky.cc.umb.edu Cindy Stone: stonec@indiana.edu Return to Photoshp Listserv homepage